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08:06:54 AM Overviews (s): Weatherization Programs Update 2013 Alaska Housing Finance Corporation
09:09:34 AM Overview (s): Alaska Industrial Development and Export Authority Lng Trucking Project
10:11:13 AM Adjourn
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+ - Weatherization Programs Update 2013: TELECONFERENCED
Presentations by Stacy Schubert, Director,
Governmental Relations and Public Affairs &
John Anderson, Weatherization Program Officer,
Alaska Housing Finance Corporation
+ - LNG Trucking Project: TELECONFERENCED
Presentation by Ted Leonard, Executive Director,
Alaska Industrial Development & Export Authority
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON ENERGY                                                                              
                        February 4, 2013                                                                                        
                           8:06 a.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Doug Isaacson, Co-Chair                                                                                          
Representative Charisse Millett, Co-Chair                                                                                       
Representative Neal Foster                                                                                                      
Representative Pete Higgins                                                                                                     
Representative Shelley Hughes                                                                                                   
Representative Benjamin Nageak                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
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Representative Andrew Josephson                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW(S):  WEATHERIZATION PROGRAMS UPDATE 2013 ALASKA HOUSING                                                                
FINANCE CORPORATION                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
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OVERVIEW(S):  ALASKA INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND EXPORT AUTHORITY                                                                
LNG TRUCKING PROJECT                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DAN FAUSKE, CEO/Executive Director                                                                                              
Alaska Housing Finance Corporation (AHFC)                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided opening remarks prior to the                                                                    
PowerPoint presentation entitled, "AHFC Energy Programs Update."                                                                
                                                                                                                                
JOHN ANDERSON, Program Officer                                                                                                  
Alaska Housing Finance Corporation (AHFC)                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided a PowerPoint presentation                                                                       
entitled, "AHFC Energy Programs Update."                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
STACY SHUBERT, Director                                                                                                         
Governmental Affairs & Public Relations                                                                                         
Alaska Housing Finance Corporation (AHFC)                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:   Answered questions during  the presentation                                                             
by  Alaska Housing  Finance  Corporation  entitled, "AHFC  Energy                                                               
Programs Update."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
TED LEONARD, Executive Director                                                                                                 
Alaska Industrial Development and Export Authority (AIDEA)                                                                      
Department of Commerce, Community & Economic Development (DCCED)                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION   STATEMENT:     Provided   a  PowerPoint   presentation                                                             
entitled, "Energy Project Overview," dated February 2013.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MARK DAVIS, Deputy Director                                                                                                     
Investment Finance & Analysis                                                                                                   
Alaska Industrial Development and Export Authority (AIDEA)                                                                      
Department of Commerce, Community & Economic Development (DCCED)                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Participated  in the PowerPoint presentation                                                             
entitled, "Energy Project Overview," dated February 2013.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
NICK SZYMONIAK, Project Economist                                                                                               
Alaska Energy Authority (AEA)                                                                                                   
Department of Commerce, Community & Economic Development (DCCED)                                                                
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Answered a  question during the presentation                                                             
by the Alaska Industrial Development & Export Authority (AIDEA).                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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8:06:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  DOUG ISAACSON  called  the House  Special Committee  on                                                             
Energy meeting  to order  at 8:06  a.m.   Representatives Hughes,                                                               
Nageak, Foster,  Higgins, Millett,  and Isaacson were  present at                                                               
the call to order.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEWS  (S):    WEATHERIZATION PROGRAMS  UPDATE  2013  ALASKA                                                               
HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION                                                                                                     
   OVERVIEWS (S):  WEATHERIZATION PROGRAMS UPDATE 2013 ALASKA                                                               
                  HOUSING FINANCE CORPORATION                                                                               
                                                                                                                              
8:06:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  ISAACSON announced  that  the first  order of  business                                                               
would  be an  update by  the Alaska  Housing Finance  Corporation                                                               
(AHFC) on weatherization programs.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:08:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAN  FAUSKE,  CEO/Executive   Director,  Alaska  Housing  Finance                                                               
Corporation  (AHFC),  advised  that  the  successful  energy  and                                                               
weatherization program  is a  good example  of a  government fund                                                               
achieving its stated  goals and bringing a benefit  to the people                                                               
of the state from Barrow to Ketchikan.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:09:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN ANDERSON,  Program Officer, AHFC, introduced  the PowerPoint                                                               
presentation  entitled,  "AHFC  Energy   Programs  Update."    He                                                               
informed the  committee that beginning  in 2008, major  funds for                                                               
the energy and  weatherization program have come  to AHFC through                                                               
a  capital appropriation  of $300  million,  and with  subsequent                                                               
appropriations the total funds received  to date are $510 million                                                               
[slide  2].   Accomplishments to  date are:   home  energy rebate                                                               
program  - 17,908  homes  completed; new  home  rebate program  -                                                               
1,751 homes  completed; and weatherization program  - 8,513 homes                                                               
completed.   This is  a total  of 28,000  homes made  more energy                                                               
efficient,  which is  over 10  percent  of the  housing stock  in                                                               
Alaska.   In  response to  Co-Chair Isaacson,  he clarified  that                                                               
this number is over 10 percent of the occupied units in Alaska.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR ISAACSON  observed that  if over  $500 million  has been                                                               
spent on  the program and  the average  amount spent per  home is                                                               
$18,888, it  will cost  $6 billion  to weatherize  every eligible                                                               
home.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON said correct.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:12:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUGHES asked how apartment units are counted.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON answered that rental  units are included through the                                                               
weatherization program; condominiums  (condos) and owner-occupied                                                               
units  of  multi-unit  structures  are eligible  for  the  rebate                                                               
program.  In  further response to Representative  Hughes, he said                                                               
the four  units in  a fourplex would  count individually  as four                                                               
[homes].                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MILLETT noted  that many  houses built  in the  last 10                                                               
years do  not need energy efficiency  measures or weatherization,                                                               
but the program should target  houses built pre-1990 and those in                                                               
dire need.   She asked  for a ratio  of completed urban  homes to                                                               
rural homes, so the committee can  discuss how to make the rebate                                                               
program  available  to  lower-income  owners or  those  in  rural                                                               
Alaska, perhaps by bonding contractors or establishing "cost-                                                                   
equalization" for rural applicants.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON responded  that  expenditures  along the  urban-to-                                                               
rural  split are  about 70:30  when both  programs are  combined,                                                               
thus the rebate program has shown  to be more beneficial to urban                                                               
Alaska.   On the other  hand, the weatherization program  shows a                                                               
70 percent benefit  to rural homeowners.   Alaska Housing Finance                                                               
Corporation is seeking  options to try to help  those without the                                                               
cash  needed  to participate  in  the  rebate program;  one  idea                                                               
proposes a  1 percent heating conversion  loan.   He  pointed out                                                               
that of 40,000  home energy rebate program  applicants 40 percent                                                               
have  decided not  to participate,  usually because  their houses                                                               
received an energy rating above Four Star Plus.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:15:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MILLETT   advised  it   was  never   the  legislature's                                                               
intention  to weatherize  every house  in Alaska,  but to  target                                                               
older homes.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR ISAACSON  asked how  many Five Star  and Five  Star Plus                                                               
energy rated homes are in Alaska.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON  was unsure of the  total, but said over  1,751 Five                                                               
Star Plus new  construction homes have been rebated.   In further                                                               
response to  Co-Chair Isaacson, he offered  to provide statistics                                                               
on Four Star and above rated homes as well.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIGGINS  understood that  the program  will rebate                                                               
up to  $10,000, but  an applicant doesn't  need $10,000  to apply                                                               
for an energy audit.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON confirmed that if  an applicant spent $1,000 that is                                                               
the rebate they would receive.   The "set" rebate levels begin at                                                               
$4,000 and increase up to a maximum of $10,000.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MILLETT stressed  that an  applicant must  pay for  the                                                               
weatherization up-front, and some residents  do not have the cash                                                               
in the  bank to  pay the  contractor.   This is  the flaw  in the                                                               
legislation that  she wants  to address for  those who  most need                                                               
the weatherization and savings.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:18:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIGGINS indicated  that the weatherization program                                                               
is the "free" program that does the same thing.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON  stated the rebate  and weatherization  programs are                                                               
creating  safer,  better  quality, and  more  affordable  heating                                                               
sources  in Alaska's  homes. In  addition, 4,000  jobs have  been                                                               
created or  retained since  2008.   A study  by the  Institute of                                                               
Social  and  Economic  Research   (ISER),  University  of  Alaska                                                               
Anchorage, reported 1,780 indirect jobs  and 407 jobs gained from                                                               
spent energy savings [slide 5].                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
8:20:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR ISAACSON ascertained  the quality of the  jobs gained is                                                               
not reported.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON said correct.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:21:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NAGEAK asked  whether  the 407  jobs gained  from                                                               
spent energy savings would be for vendors.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON  said according to  the ISER study, impacts  were on                                                               
jobs  ranging from  clerical staff  to stocking  shelves, and  he                                                               
offered to  provide copies of the  report to the committee.   Mr.                                                               
Anderson then explained  that AHFC now has  a database sufficient                                                               
to  extrapolate  the  estimated  benefits  accumulated  from  the                                                               
rebate  and  weatherization  programs   since  2008  as  follows:                                                               
Almost 6  trillion Btu have  been saved, which are  equivalent to                                                               
over 400,000 barrels of oil,  [23,567,420] one hundred cubic feet                                                               
(CCF)  of gas,  [17,077,840] gallons  of fuel  oil, or  [690,721]                                                               
megawatt [hours] of electricity saved  annually [slide 6].  These                                                               
estimates, which are derived from  AkWarm energy rating software,                                                               
put the savings at around $37  million per year from 28,000 homes                                                               
made  more  energy efficient  by  the  rebate and  weatherization                                                               
programs.   Mr.  Anderson  observed that  the  savings are  spent                                                               
locally and are recirculating through  the economy [slide 7].  An                                                               
additional  estimate was  that 8,275  Anchorage  homes that  were                                                               
weatherized  through the  rebate program  saved enough  energy to                                                               
power 3,437  homes in  the Anchorage  area for  one year,  or the                                                               
Performing Arts  Center, Egan Convention Center,  Sullivan Arena,                                                               
Robert  Atwood  Building, and  Dena'ina  Center  for almost  nine                                                               
years [slide 8].                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  ISAACSON asked  how the  aforementioned estimates  were                                                               
computed.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON explained  that AkWarm  modeling software  computes                                                               
the cost of energy, and the  entire energy use of a structure, at                                                               
the time  of the rating.   Currently,  an average home  in Alaska                                                               
uses 281  million Btu per  year.   The cost savings  estimated in                                                               
the  presentation  were based  on  the  time of  each  individual                                                               
rating, thus the savings are an average since 2008.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:25:14 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HUGHES asked  Mr.  Anderson to  project when  the                                                               
state will recoup its investment of $510 million.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON said  that  information will  follow  later in  the                                                               
presentation.   He turned attention to  AHFC's specific programs,                                                               
saying  the weatherization  program  is  designed for  low-income                                                               
residents;  in 2008  changes  were made  so  that an  applicant's                                                               
income can go up to 100 percent  of the median income of the U.S.                                                               
Department of Housing and Urban  Development (HUD) poverty income                                                               
guidelines.  Clients  are ranked in seven priorities  in favor of                                                               
the elderly, homes with children,  and families with disabilities                                                               
[slide 9].   The weatherization program is focused  on health and                                                               
safety,  energy  efficiency,  homeowner education,  comfort,  and                                                               
building  durability [slide  12].   Additional  benefits are  the                                                               
resulting  local employment  and training,  and a  community-type                                                               
approach [slide 13].                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FOSTER  asked how AHFC decides  which village will                                                               
be weatherized in a given year.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON  answered that  in 2008  AHFC requested  a five-year                                                               
work  plan  from  local agencies,  although  because  of  current                                                               
funding  levels  the planning  is  now  done year-to-year.    The                                                               
regional  housing authorities  are most  familiar with  each area                                                               
and  provide information  on their  region's biggest  needs; AHFC                                                               
then selects  over 100  communities each year.   As  of 12/31/12,                                                               
the weatherization  program has expended almost  $200 million and                                                               
is expected to  expend to grantees $230 million  for 10,500 units                                                               
completed by the end of the  grant cycle on 3/31/13.  Fiscal Year                                                               
2013/2014  (FY 14)  grants are  being prepared  for the  upcoming                                                               
work  season [slide  14].   Mr.  Anderson  acknowledged that  the                                                               
weatherization program  does not reap  as much in savings  as the                                                               
rebate program  for many reasons,  one of  which is that  AHFC is                                                               
the  contractor  for the  work,  and  health and  safety  matters                                                               
surrounding the residences are taken care  of before a job can be                                                               
completed.    Still,  the  average  cost  savings  per  year  per                                                               
resident is  $1,336 from the  weatherization program  [slide 15].                                                               
When   looking  at   savings  by   region,   the  NANA   Regional                                                               
Corporation, Inc.  (NANA) region is receiving  the highest energy                                                               
savings per  home, and Anchorage  receives the lowest.   He added                                                               
that in  urban Alaska AHFC spends  $11,000 per unit; in  rural or                                                               
remote Alaska the average is $30,000  per unit due to the cost of                                                               
materials, and logistics [slide 16].                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:31:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR ISAACSON observed the Interior  does not benefit as much                                                               
compared to outlying areas, and  asked whether that is because of                                                               
the quality of housing.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON  indicated yes.   There is a  lot of old  housing in                                                               
Fairbanks and  Anchorage with  life-safety issues  and/or heating                                                               
conversions.    These improvements  are  substantial  but do  not                                                               
result in energy  savings as great as those from  air sealing and                                                               
insulation.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  ISAACSON asked  for a  description  of the  differences                                                               
between the energy rebate and weatherization programs.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON explained  that AHFC's  goal for  both programs  is                                                               
energy efficiency.   In fact,  the greatest return  on investment                                                               
for either program  is from air sealing  and insulation; however,                                                               
in some  cases after  safety investments  to the  heating systems                                                               
are made  "there's not much  left else to do  on the house."   In                                                               
response  to Representative  Higgins, he  confirmed that  807 was                                                               
the number of houses in the sample for Fairbanks [slide 16].                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIGGINS  asked whether the  weatherization program                                                               
has a maximum expenditure level per house.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON  stated  that  in  urban,  or  road-system  Alaska,                                                               
$11,000  per unit  is  the maximum  spent  by the  weatherization                                                               
program.  In remote areas not  connected by roads, the average is                                                               
$30,000 per unit.  However,  the agencies are allowed flexibility                                                               
to determine how much is spent on each site.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
8:35:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HUGHES  requested  clarification on  the  state's                                                               
role in the weatherization program, and on income requirements.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON   referred  to  the  weatherization   program,  and                                                               
explained the  state is  the contractor  and applicants  apply to                                                               
one  of seventeen  agencies  to  see if  they  qualify, based  on                                                               
income.   The rebate is  open to everyone, but a homeowner cannot                                                               
participate  in  both.   In  further  response to  Representative                                                               
Hughes,  he  said  applicants  to  both  programs  apply  to  the                                                               
agencies.  For  the rebate program, AHFC directs  applicants to a                                                               
call center from where they are  dispatched to an energy rater in                                                               
their area to begin the process.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. FAUSKE  added that  individuals performing  the work  are not                                                               
state  employees. The  corporation  has contracted  out the  call                                                               
center  and   the  contractors  that  it   uses  are  independent                                                               
agencies.  Although  AHFC has oversight over the  program and the                                                               
work, its staff is at a bare minimum.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON agreed,  and said that AHFC writes  the policies and                                                               
procedures  that the  grantees are  required to  follow, although                                                               
they are independent entities.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIGGINS  asked how many applications  are received                                                               
from each region.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON did  not know,  but he  said most  agencies have  a                                                               
waitlist  and  the  weatherization program  averages  over  3,000                                                               
units  per year.    The difficulty  for AHFC  is  to ensure  that                                                               
applicants are  not approved  and waiting  for programs  that may                                                               
not be funded.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:39:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STACY   SHUBERT,   Director,   Governmental  Affairs   &   Public                                                               
Relations,  AHFC, interjected  that  the  waitlist through  Rural                                                               
Alaska Community  Action Program, Inc.  (RurAL CAP) -  the agency                                                               
in Anchorage - is 170 units  as of 12/12/12.  In further response                                                               
to  Representative Higgins,  she said  the waitlist  was for  the                                                               
weatherization program.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HUGHES  asked for  the  income  guidelines for  a                                                               
family of four to be eligible for the weatherization program.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON  said income limits  for a family  of four are:   in                                                               
the Municipality  of Anchorage,  $85,200; in the  Fairbanks North                                                               
Star  Borough, $84,600;  in the  Kodiak Island  Borough, $71,100.                                                               
Prior to  2008, AHFC  was following the  2012 U.S.  Department of                                                               
Energy (U.S.  DOE) poverty  income levels, and  still must  do so                                                               
regarding any federal funds it receives.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR ISAACSON requested a copy of the income guidelines.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FOSTER compared  income limits  in Anchorage  and                                                               
Dillingham,  noting that  a person  in Dillingham  making $50,000                                                               
per  year  would be  over  the  limit,  but  the same  income  in                                                               
Anchorage would qualify for the weatherization program.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:43:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON  advised  that AHFC  has  encouraged  all  affected                                                               
entities  and the  Native regional  corporations  to study  these                                                               
guidelines; in  fact, NANA has  begun a  review.  The  state does                                                               
not set the levels and  what considerations regarding the cost of                                                               
fuel, for  example, are  unknown.  A  review is  forthcoming from                                                               
U.S. Senator Lisa  Murkowski.  He then directed  attention to the                                                               
home energy  rebate program,  explaining that it  is open  to all                                                               
Alaskans, has  no income requirements,  and is limited  to owner-                                                               
occupied residents.  The homeowners pay  up front for the cost of                                                               
the improvements  and are then  rebated after the  required as-is                                                               
and post-AkWarm  rating [slide 17].   The rebate is based  on the                                                               
improvements that were made and  how the home benefitted from the                                                               
work.  Since  2008, 1,751 Five Star Plus new  homes qualified for                                                               
a  total of  $13.1 million  paid  in rebates  [slide 18].     One                                                               
change  to the  program is  that a  resident can  re-apply for  a                                                               
different  home.    The  rebate program  has  meant  that  $209.1                                                               
million has  been spent  on energy  efficiency improvements  by a                                                               
combination  of  state  and individual  investments  [slide  19].                                                               
Individually, of  17,000 rebates, the average  consumer has spent                                                               
at  least  $11,000  between the  average  state  contribution  of                                                               
$6,389 and  the average homeowner  contribution of  $4,792 [slide                                                               
20].    Mr. Anderson  stated  that  the  program is  meeting  the                                                               
original  intention  of  the  2008 legislation.    Based  on  the                                                               
average energy  savings per home,  the homeowner's  investment is                                                               
paid back in  3.3 years [slide 21].  Regionally,  the pay-back in                                                               
Fairbanks is 2 years [slide 22].                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:47:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. FAUSKE recalled  the total investments by  the homeowners put                                                               
approximately $25 million back in the economy.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:48:09 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON  restated that  total energy  savings are  about $37                                                               
million per year.  He  continued, saying the average savings from                                                               
the rebate  program is  103 million  Btu per  year or  an average                                                               
home energy  use reduction  of 34  percent [slide  23].   At this                                                               
time, 32,294  as-is ratings have  been completed, and  the number                                                               
of  completed rebates  is near  18,000.   The statewide  waitlist                                                               
numbered 511 as  of 1/25/13 [slide 25].    In September 2012, the                                                               
waitlist dropped, so there was  an advertising campaign primarily                                                               
in Southcentral to encourage participation.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. FAUSKE  cautioned that aggressive advertising  could bring in                                                               
more applications  than available funding.   Initially, AHFC made                                                               
a commitment  to the legislature not  to get ahead of  funding so                                                               
that Alaskans  know the  money is there  once they  have applied.                                                               
Prior  to another  advertising campaign  the AHFC  administration                                                               
must look at the funding levels.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HUGHES  asked  whether advertising  has  targeted                                                               
residents in Fairbanks.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. SHUBERT informed  the committee that AHFC  had not advertised                                                               
either program since inception in  2008, leading to concerns that                                                               
people  in rural  communities  were not  aware  of the  programs.                                                               
Recently,  targeted mailers  were sent  to 100  rural communities                                                               
and there was a six-week radio  campaign in Fairbanks that led to                                                               
an increase  in applications.   The  corporation is  reluctant to                                                               
advertise again due to the status of funding.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:52:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  ISAACSON expressed  his  belief that  residents in  the                                                               
Interior right  now are strapped  for cash and credit-poor.   The                                                               
possibility  of  a   long  waiting  period  for   the  rebate  is                                                               
frustrating,  and people  are moving  away  instead of  upgrading                                                               
their houses  - which  is tragic for  the economics  of Fairbanks                                                               
and  for the  state.   He asked  how long  the delay  is for  the                                                               
rebate payment.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON said  AHFC issues the rebate payment  within 40 days                                                               
to 60 days.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NAGEAK  observed that  those above the  low income                                                               
level  can take  this  opportunity to  review  the literature  on                                                               
energy savings and  examine their personal needs.   He shared the                                                               
benefits  of replacing  the heating  system in  his home  and his                                                               
plans for future upgrades.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.   ANDERSON   reviewed   the  Second   Mortgage   for   Energy                                                               
Conservation program.   To  date, 147 loans  have been  made, and                                                               
the average interest rate for  this program is 3.5 percent [slide                                                               
30].  He was unsure as to why the program is not more popular.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FOSTER asked  if a fourplex would  qualify for the                                                               
second mortgage program.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON indicated yes, if the unit is owner-occupied.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR   ISAACSON   asked    for   clarification   on   whether                                                               
condominiums (condos) and townhomes are included.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
8:56:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON opined  condos would not be eligible  for the second                                                               
mortgage  loan because  the condo  association must  be involved.                                                               
However,  condos are  eligible  for the  rebate  program and  his                                                               
staff  works  closely  with  condo  associations  and  owners  to                                                               
facilitate the  rebate program.   He directed attention  to other                                                               
programs, beginning  with the Alaska Energy  Efficiency Revolving                                                               
Loan Program (AEERLP)  which is a $250  million public facilities                                                               
loan  program  started  with  federal  funds  received  from  the                                                               
American Recovery and Reinvestment Act  of 2009 (ARRA).  The AHFC                                                               
staff  saw the  potential benefit  of saving  energy in  Alaska's                                                               
public and  commercial facilities, leveraged the  ARRA funds, and                                                               
created an  available loan capacity  of $250 million  [slide 33].                                                               
Over  1,200  public  buildings were  benchmarked  and  investment                                                               
grade audits were  conducted in 327 buildings.   Investment grade                                                               
audits are an in-depth energy  look at each facility using AkWarm                                                               
ratings  [slide 34].   After  two years,  AHFC developed  a white                                                               
paper and  some of  the major  findings are:   adopt  and enforce                                                               
energy  codes;  require  publically-owned buildings  track  their                                                               
energy  use;  and  establish  accountability  [slide  35].    Mr.                                                               
Anderson  said the  process revealed  that "no  one was  tracking                                                               
their energy  use."  Additional  white paper findings are:   over                                                               
5,000 public buildings  exist in Alaska; there  are around 20,000                                                               
total  commercial facilities;  the estimated  energy cost  of the                                                               
public  buildings  equates  to approximately  $641  million  each                                                               
year;  and  with  an  average   savings  of  $25,000  per  public                                                               
building, the  potential statewide  annual savings would  be $125                                                               
million [slide 36].                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  ISAACSON asked  whether Siemens  is in  charge of  this                                                               
program.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON  advised that Siemens Government  Technologies (SGT)                                                               
is one of the Energy Service Companies (ESCO) that is involved.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:00:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR ISAACSON recalled the experience  in North Pole was that                                                               
the rater  took approximately  two years to  come.   However, "it                                                               
seems to provide promise to municipalities."                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:00:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON  surmised the  City of North  Pole (North  Pole) did                                                               
not apply for a loan through AHFC.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR ISAACSON said  North Pole qualified for  a grant through                                                               
the state.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ANDERSON   said  the  aforementioned   loan  was   from  the                                                               
Department of  Transportation & Public Facilities  (DOTPF), which                                                               
follows  the  same model,  but  its  loan  program was  from  $10                                                               
million  of  ARRA  money  appropriated  to  DOTPF.    In  further                                                               
response to Co-Chair  Isaacson, he noted there  was no redundancy                                                               
between  programs;  in  fact,  DOTPF  is in  charge  of  its  own                                                               
buildings  and  had  prior   experience  with  ESCO  contractors.                                                               
Similarly,  AHFC   gave  the  University   of  Alaska   a  direct                                                               
appropriation to pay for an investment grade audit.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. FAUSKE added that the  program is self-sustaining because the                                                               
energy savings  guaranteed by the  contractor will  be sufficient                                                               
to   service  the   indebtedness   necessary  to   pay  for   the                                                               
improvements being  made.  The program  can continue indefinitely                                                               
as municipal  governments and others  are enticed to  save energy                                                               
and the program will pay for  itself.  Hospitals in the state are                                                               
interested  in participating,  but the  program is  restricted to                                                               
municipally-   or   government-owned   facilities.      Including                                                               
hospitals could have  a huge impact on local  communities and the                                                               
cost of delivering services.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ANDERSON turned attention to  the Alaska Retrofit Information                                                               
System (ARIS) and  explained that it is  a comprehensive database                                                               
with the capability to provide  statistics and outcome reports on                                                               
the rebate and weatherization programs,  and the AHFC white paper                                                               
[slides  37 and  38].    The database  is  evolving  and AHFC  is                                                               
optimistic  about its  future  use by  DOTPF,  the Alaska  Energy                                                               
Authority (AEA),  and all  other state  agencies to  track energy                                                               
use.   Mr.  Anderson then  concluded his  presentation by  saying                                                               
that the team and programs at  AHFC create jobs, save energy, and                                                               
affect lives in a positive manner.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:06:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FOSTER agreed  and observed  that large  projects                                                               
get a  lot of attention, but  programs like this provide  a quick                                                               
pay-back on  investment, and help  the people living in  the most                                                               
energy inefficient homes.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIGGINS agreed.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NAGEAK agreed.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUGHES agreed.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  ISAACSON  said, "The  best  savings  in energy  is  the                                                               
dollar not  spent."   He then  cautioned that  regional stability                                                               
still needs to be attained for the long-term.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW   (S):  ALASKA   INDUSTRIAL   DEVELOPMENT  AND   EXPORT                                                               
AUTHORITY LNG TRUCKING PROJECT                                                                                                  
 OVERVIEW (S): ALASKA INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AND EXPORT AUTHORITY                                                           
                      LNG TRUCKING PROJECT                                                                                  
                                                                                                                              
9:09:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  ISAACSON announced  that  the final  order of  business                                                               
would be a presentation by  the Alaska Industrial Development and                                                               
Export Authority (AIDEA).                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:11:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 9:11 a.m. to 9:15 a.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:15:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TED  LEONARD, Executive  Director, Alaska  Industrial Development                                                               
and Export  Authority (AIDEA), Department of  Commerce, Community                                                               
& Economic  Development (DCCED),  informed the  committee AIDEA's                                                               
mission is to  promote, develop, and advance  economic growth and                                                               
diversification  in  Alaska  through  financing  and  investment.                                                               
This is accomplished by providing  access to long-term commercial                                                               
and  development financing  - at  a  reasonable cost  - by  using                                                               
AIDEA's  strong   balance  sheet:   an  AA+  credit   rating  and                                                               
approximately $1.1 billion  in net assets [slide 2].   In AIDEA's                                                               
energy finance tool  box are the following:  can  own all or part                                                               
of  an energy  project; can  co-invest  with a  corporation or  a                                                               
limited  liability  company  (LLC)   that  owns  a  project;  can                                                               
purchase up  to 90 percent of  a loan from a  qualified financial                                                               
institution  up to  $20  million  for an  energy  project or  for                                                               
energy conservation;  can provide direct financing  or guarantees                                                               
for up to  one-third of the capital cost of  a qualified project;                                                               
and can  issue revenue bonds  for a qualified project  [slide 3].                                                               
Currently, AIDEA owns two large  energy projects, the [Snettisham                                                               
Hydroelectric Project]  which is leased to  Alaska Electric Light                                                               
and  Power  (AEL&P)  in  Juneau,   and  the  Endeavour-Spirit  of                                                               
Independence jack-up rig (Endeavour) now  located in Homer and en                                                               
route to oil and gas leases.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:18:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEONARD recalled last year  the legislature directed AIDEA to                                                               
invest in "qualified" energy projects  which are limited to those                                                               
involved   with  transmission,   generation,  conservation,   and                                                               
storage  or distribution  of heat  or electricity;  liquefaction,                                                               
regasification,  distribution, and  storage  or  uses of  natural                                                               
gas; and  distribution or storage of  refined petroleum products.                                                               
He  advised  that  the  aforementioned  definition  is  vital  to                                                               
AIDEA's loan  participation and  the Alaska  Sustainable Strategy                                                               
for Energy  Transmission and Supply (ASSETS)  programs [slide 4].                                                               
Other  definitions  revolve  around AIDEA's  development  finance                                                               
program  which serves  to promote  natural resource  development;                                                               
for  example,  Endeavour  was financed  through  the  development                                                               
finance program.  Mr. Leonard  called attention to slide 5, which                                                               
was a  chart illustrating phases  of AIDEA's  development project                                                               
analyses used  to decide  which projects to  finance and  how the                                                               
projects  are financed.    There  are four  phases  to advance  a                                                               
project:   the  first  phase is  to see  if  the project  matches                                                               
AIDEA's statute;  the second phase  is the  feasibility analysis;                                                               
the third  phase is  the due diligence  analysis of  the business                                                               
plan and recommendations  to AIDEA's board of  directors; and the                                                               
fourth phase  is the  final structuring  and moving  forward with                                                               
the project  [slide 5].  As  an aside, he reported  on the status                                                               
of the  Endeavour, which  was a  strategic investment  to support                                                               
oil  and  gas  exploration  in   Cook  Inlet.    The  authority's                                                               
investment is approximately $23.6 million  out of a total cost of                                                               
$120 million  thereby leveraging  about $96 million.   Currently,                                                               
the  Endeavour  is completing  refurbishment  in  Homer, and  the                                                               
general manager, Buccaneer Energy, announced  the goal is to have                                                               
the Endeavour  drilling in late  March and April.   The Endeavour                                                               
is projected  to drill three  exploratory wells this  year [slide                                                               
6].                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:23:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARK  DAVIS,  Deputy  Director, Investment  Finance  &  Analysis,                                                               
AIDEA, DCCED,  stated that one  of AIDEA's projects this  year is                                                               
to work on  legislation for the governor's energy plan.   Part of                                                               
the plan  is to explore  the possibility of building  a liquefied                                                               
natural gas (LNG)  plant on the North Slope and  trucking the gas                                                               
to  Fairbanks.    After  reaching Fairbanks,  the  gas  would  be                                                               
distributed  for  heating  purposes  and would  be  available  to                                                               
utilities  for electrical  generation.   The goal  is to  provide                                                               
lowest-cost  energy to  the Interior  as soon  as possible.   The                                                               
plan includes a cost benefit  analysis and is designed to advance                                                               
quickly so  that the project  is operational within 30  months to                                                               
36 months.   Involvement by the private sector  is encouraged and                                                               
forthcoming  legislation  provides  for $355  million  to  garner                                                               
additional private investment [slides 7 and 8].                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:25:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   HIGGINS  asked   for  the   current  development                                                               
analysis phase of this project.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  recalled that  in 2008  DCCED concluded  that trucking                                                               
gas from  the North  Slope to Fairbanks  would be  competitive if                                                               
the price  of oil  stayed above  about $65  per barrel,  thus the                                                               
project has already met the  suitability assessment and is moving                                                               
into phase  2.    In further response to  Representative Higgins,                                                               
he said  if the  project is  approved in  the spring,  the stated                                                               
goal is to have gas flowing into Fairbanks in 30 months.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEONARD  pointed out there  is a schedule  at the end  of the                                                               
presentation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS said the plan is to  liquefy the gas on the North Slope                                                               
and AIDEA received  16 responses to its  request for information.                                                               
The proposed plant  is to be movable and may  be relocated should                                                               
Fairbanks develop another source of gas.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR ISAACSON asked for a description of the responses.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  explained AIDEA  received four types  of offers:   two                                                               
turnkey  offers including  a plan,  real estate,  and engineering                                                               
work;  three  offers were  for  financing  only; two  were  "pure                                                               
engineering" offers to  work on the design; and  others were from                                                               
firms  that do  not  provide financing  but  will design,  build,                                                               
maintain, and operate the plant for  a given amount of money.  He                                                               
continued, noting  that for  the trucking plan  the gas  would be                                                               
liquefied at  a small, movable  9 billion cubic feet  (Bcf) plant                                                               
that  would process  enough gas  to supply  the areas  of primary                                                               
demand  -  Fairbanks  and  North  Pole -  and  the  byproduct  of                                                               
propane.   The LNG  would be  temporarily stored  and regasified,                                                               
utilizing gas  storage credits and  AIDEA's bonding  authority to                                                               
finance   the  construction   of   storage   and  the   Fairbanks                                                               
distribution system.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:30:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIGGINS  asked for the  size of the  system needed                                                               
to distribute gas to Fairbanks proper.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  answered that  the Alaska  Energy Authority  (AEA) has                                                               
estimated 7 Bcf to 9 Bcf is  needed to distribute gas to the core                                                               
area, depending on the design of  the system, and the entire area                                                               
would need 18 Bcf to 20 Bcf.   The present goal is for 7 Bcf to 9                                                               
Bcf.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  HUGHES  asked  whether  the  distribution  system                                                               
would be  constructed simultaneously and  would also be  ready in                                                               
30 months.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS advised it is  desirable for the distribution system to                                                               
be  built at  the same  time, and  financed by  local improvement                                                               
district  (LID) funds.   In  further  response to  Representative                                                               
Hughes, he  said 30 months  to 36  months is "an  aggressive, but                                                               
doable timeframe."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR ISAACSON said:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     And just to  clarify, that ... would be to  start in an                                                                    
     area that  is already  non-certificated at  the moment,                                                                    
     and so the  certificated area currently owned  by FNG -                                                                    
     Fairbanks Natural  Gas -  they would  presumably become                                                                    
     more aggressive  in their area,  and then,  starting it                                                                    
     in  the non-certificated  area  to meet  it.   But,  80                                                                    
     percent penetration  still is  anticipated to  be three                                                                    
     to five additional years.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS agreed.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:33:24 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NAGEAK  surmised the  liquefaction plant  would be                                                               
located in Prudhoe Bay.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  said it  would be  on the  North Slope  in one  of the                                                               
production  areas near  a present  source of  gas.    In  further                                                               
response  to Representative  Nageak, a  regasification plant  and                                                               
gas storage would be built in Fairbanks.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NAGEAK asked whether  transportation of the LNG is                                                               
part  of the  cost of  the project,  or will  be done  by private                                                               
firms.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS expressed  his belief that trucking is not  part of the                                                               
project cost, but  that a firm, or firms, would  have to be hired                                                               
to provide transportation.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEONARD  added that a  private utility is  presently trucking                                                               
LNG to  Fairbanks and  has a  regasification facility  there now.                                                               
In response to Representative Hughes,  he said when AIDEA studied                                                               
the trucking project four years  ago, there was sufficient demand                                                               
and the  project made  sense; however,  the two  large industrial                                                               
tenants,  Golden Valley  Electric  Association  (GVEA) and  Flint                                                               
Hills Resources were  not "willing to step up to  the plate."  In                                                               
response  to Co-Chair  Isaacson, he  confirmed that  the existing                                                               
regasification plant and  storage are not adequate  to handle the                                                               
projected additional volume.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR ISAACSON asked for descriptions  of two other aspects of                                                               
the project, the ability to supply  natural gas to Cook Inlet and                                                               
the  potential  to  supply propane  to  rural  communities  along                                                               
rivers.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEONARD  stated that the  9 Bcf  plant is designed  mainly to                                                               
meet the  needs of the Interior.   The plant would  be built with                                                               
the ability to add 4 Bcf modules up  to a maximum of 20 Bcf.  The                                                               
turnkey offers  included gas  contracts also up  to 20  Bcf, thus                                                               
the challenge is  whether Cook Inlet demand is enough  to pay for                                                               
the expansion.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:38:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS   informed  the  committee  the   governor's  proposed                                                               
Interior energy  plan legislation intends to  use AIDEA financing                                                               
leveraged  with  the private  sector  to  achieve the  best  debt                                                               
service for the project.  The  details of the finance plan are as                                                               
follows:   $50  million  in general  fund  (GF) appropriation  to                                                               
AIDEA; $150  million authorization for  AIDEA to issue  bonds for                                                               
the distribution  system at  an interest rate  of 3  percent; and                                                               
$125  million  in  recapitalization  of  the  Sustainable  Energy                                                               
Transmission and  Supply Development Fund (SETS)  would provide a                                                               
financing  structure.    Finally,  $30  million  in  natural  gas                                                               
storage credits is added in to equal $355 million.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUGHES asked how  much private investment the plan                                                               
leverages.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS explained the request  is for $175 million, in addition                                                               
to  the  $50  million  in  equity  and  $125  million  in  loans.                                                               
Construction  of  the  plant  will  cost in  the  range  of  $220                                                               
million, and the working capital must  be provided.  This will be                                                               
a range  of about $30  million to  $40 million, maybe  more, with                                                               
the private components.  The  bonds will provide a beginning, and                                                               
the entire  project could be  privatized after the  state "get[s]                                                               
it going."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUGHES further asked for a dollar amount.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS advised  $220 million is needed to build  the plant and                                                               
the  proposed  legislation  directs  $175 million.    In  further                                                               
response to Representative  Hughes, he confirmed that  this is an                                                               
immediate  shortfall of  $55 million,  and more  money is  needed                                                               
"down the road."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEONARD  said the total  estimated cost for  the distribution                                                               
and production facilities  is about $800 million  to $900 million                                                               
for the medium-  and high-density areas of Fairbanks.   This is a                                                               
typical  financing  package,  with  50  percent  in  SETS  loans,                                                               
mezzanine  financing  of 30  percent,  and  the equity  from  the                                                               
private sector of about 20 percent.   The goal over the long-term                                                               
period is  that the SETS  loan would be  repaid at the  3 percent                                                               
range.  Mr. Leonard pointed out  the value of moving forward now,                                                               
when the  interest rate environment for  long-term infrastructure                                                               
is at an historic low.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:43:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE NAGEAK asked how  the GF $50 million appropriation                                                               
directly reduces the cost of energy.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  explained that the $50  million would be put  into the                                                               
potential cost of the LNG plant.   The flow of gas from the plant                                                               
would be  divided into  two sectors, one  sector for  utility use                                                               
primarily for  heating and the  second sector for  commercial use                                                               
to be sold  to defray the cost; the $50  million would be applied                                                               
to utility  use as an equity  infusion and that would  reduce the                                                               
rate  to ratepayers.   The  expected utility  price per  thousand                                                               
cubic feet of  natural gas (Mcf) is $10.33 for  wholesale LNG and                                                               
$13.49 to $17.29  for natural gas to homes, and  those prices are                                                               
dependent upon using the $50 million [slide 13].                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  ISAACSON asked  whether the  reduction to  the consumer                                                               
due  to  lower   percentage  rates  on  debt   service  has  been                                                               
calculated.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS  said the  interest  rates  and the  amortization  are                                                               
modeled on slide  15.  There is a relatively  small change in the                                                               
cost per Mcf of  gas from an interest rate of  0.0 percent to 3.0                                                               
percent.  The difference in  amortization between 15 years and 30                                                               
years is also small.  The  proposed legislation uses this kind of                                                               
leveraging  from AIDEA,  along with  the "window  of opportunity"                                                               
from low  interest rates,  which has a  very favorable  effect on                                                               
the delivered price to consumers in Fairbanks.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR ISAACSON said  he did not see any difference  in the two                                                               
models shown on slide 15.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:47:31 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NICK SZYMONIAK,  Project Economist, AEA, DCCED,  agreed there was                                                               
not  much  difference on  the  models  shown  on  slide 15.    He                                                               
explained that if  the interest rate or  amortization period were                                                               
changed there  is a  slight increase  in the  cost of  plant debt                                                               
[shown as  a blue bar on  each of the  models on slide 15];  on a                                                               
15-  or  30-year  amortization  for  example,  a  change  in  the                                                               
interest  rate from  0.0 percent  to  3.0 percent  results in  an                                                               
increase of about 25 cents per Mcf.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
[Audio  indistinguishable  on  recording  from  9:49:03  a.m.  to                                                               
9:49:25 a.m.]                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:49:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIGGINS  repeated his statement to  Mr. Szymoniak,                                                               
saying he understood  that the cost of the plant  is not as great                                                               
as  that of  the  trucking or  the natural  gas  portions of  the                                                               
project;  therefore,  even  if  the state  pays  down  the  plant                                                               
entirely, it will not make much difference.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
{Audio  indistinguishable  on  recording  from  9:50:00  a.m.  to                                                               
9:50:51 a.m.}                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LEONARD pointed  out the  finance  impact on  price for  the                                                               
total  capital expenditures  (CAPEX) amortized  over 15  years is                                                               
$1.51  per Mcf  and  amortized over  30 years  is  $0.95 per  Mcf                                                               
[slide  14].   A  15-year loan  is repaid  "more  up front  [and]                                                               
that's  going to  be less  in the  long range."   He  agreed with                                                               
Representative Higgins that  CAPEX is not the main  driver of the                                                               
total cost of the gas from the plant.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIGGINS  surmised the  "worst case" is  $17.29 per                                                               
Mcf for the cost of gas to each home [slide 13].                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:51:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEONARD  explained the  range of  cost is  based on  how many                                                               
houses are affected and whether low-density areas are included.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HIGGINS  observed that  the projected cost  of gas                                                               
is a little more than half of the present cost of oil.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS estimated a reduction of  40 percent to 50 percent from                                                               
the  cost of  oil,  although the  cost is  affected  by how  many                                                               
customers pay for distribution [slide 13].                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  ISAACSON  emphasized  the importance  of  lowering  the                                                               
price as  far as  possible in order  to incentivize  residents to                                                               
abandon  heating with  wood,  heating oil,  and  coal to  address                                                               
looming constraints  caused by air  quality issues  in Fairbanks.                                                               
He advised keeping the cost of natural  gas to $15 per Mcf is the                                                               
equivalent cost with wood.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS  assured   the  committee  AIDEA  is   aware  of  this                                                               
situation; in  fact, the goal is  $10 for the wholesale  price of                                                               
LNG,  but the  delivered price  is  determined by  the degree  of                                                               
distribution, which  may be reduced by  real property assessments                                                               
such as those used in other states.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  ISAACSON asked  whether there  is proposed  legislation                                                               
that allows  an assessment to attach  to the home rather  than to                                                               
the homeowner.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:54:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  said no, and advised  that would be a  local matter to                                                               
be  addressed by  the  Fairbanks North  Star  Borough (FNSB)  and                                                               
local communities.  In further  response to Co-Chair Isaacson, he                                                               
opined  there is  no legal  barrier  "to having  things run  with                                                               
property as long as they're in your assessment."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HUGHES asked  whether the $50 million  in GF would                                                               
be transferred  to AIDEA  all at once  and which  entity collects                                                               
interest on those funds.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEONARD  assumed the $50  million would be a  direct transfer                                                               
to  AIDEA.    He  explained  that  each  year  AIDEA's  board  of                                                               
directors calculates its  net income and must  declare a dividend                                                               
between  30 percent  and 50  percent of  its income  back to  the                                                               
state.  So  far - including this year's declaration  - AIDEA will                                                               
have paid $345 million to the  state; therefore, even on the SETS                                                               
loan the  state will earn  50 percent  of the 3  percent interest                                                               
charged.    Furthermore, the  $50  million  in  GF will  be  used                                                               
quickly without  accruing much interest, but  any interest earned                                                               
will be applied to offset the cost of the plant.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR ISAACSON  encouraged the committee to  consider that the                                                               
impact  to the  state treasury  is secondary  to stabilizing  the                                                               
regional economy and directing benefits to residents.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NAGEAK  questioned  whether after  30  years  the                                                               
price of natural gas would drop to $0.95 per Mcf.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEONARD  clarified that the $0.95  per Mcf is the  CAPEX cost                                                               
blended into the cost of  the gas; theoretically, after a 15-year                                                               
amortization period,  if the plant  is still operating,  the cost                                                               
of  gas  would   be  reduced  by  $0.95,  and   after  a  30-year                                                               
amortization period,  the cost of  gas would be reduced  by $1.51                                                               
[slide 14].                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS continued  to schedules  and milestones,  saying AIDEA                                                               
has  completed  advertising  for  letters of  interest,  and  has                                                               
almost completed its internal evaluation  of responses.  The next                                                               
steps are to  issue preliminary analyses of  solicitations and to                                                               
develop  contracts for  firms to  assist AIDEA  with the  project                                                               
[slide 16].                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:59:56 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEONARD shared that AIDEA's  philosophy is to utilize experts                                                               
in the private sector to  support its small professional staff of                                                               
15;  in fact,  the  private sector  is key  on  any analysis  and                                                               
development of a project.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS gave the example of  the Endeavour:  AIDEA assigned one                                                               
staff person to  the project and contractors did the  rest of the                                                               
work.    To  complete  the   AIDEA  overview,  Mr.  Davis  called                                                               
attention  to  other  potential   energy  projects,  including  a                                                               
propane  distribution system  for  17  small Alaskan  communities                                                               
using  LID  financing  and  anchored   by  schools  or  municipal                                                               
buildings.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE FOSTER asked how  spread out a distribution system                                                               
can be before becoming uneconomic.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  stated the small  communities under  consideration are                                                               
on tidewater, so the propane can  be brought in by barge which is                                                               
economic.  However, if there were  a source of propane from a LNG                                                               
plant,  transportation   along  the  Yukon  River   could  become                                                               
economic.   Changing  rural Alaska  over  to gas  will solve  the                                                               
problems associated with fuel oil  such as particulate emissions,                                                               
cost,  and  pollution.   In  further  response to  Representative                                                               
Foster, he said  the current project is only  looking at villages                                                               
on  tidewater   because  AIDEA  has   a  certificate   of  public                                                               
convenience and necessity (CPCN) for those areas.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NAGEAK asked  whether it  is feasible  to have  a                                                               
plant on the river and closer to the villages.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:04:22 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  posed the  possibility that another  source of  gas is                                                               
brought into  Fairbanks.  In  that case,  the LNG plant  that has                                                               
been  designed  for the  present  project  could  be moved  to  a                                                               
different location  and produce LNG  from a future  pipeline that                                                               
would then be transported to villages,  or to mines in the Ambler                                                               
area and along the Kobuk River.   The intent of the business plan                                                               
for this  project is to  address the situation in  Fairbanks now,                                                               
move to a  plan to help rural Alaska, and  develop a power source                                                               
for the mines to create jobs.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NAGEAK  asked Mr.  Davis  to  keep the  committee                                                               
apprised of these projects.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:06:13 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS  acknowledged prior  to the passage  of Senate  Bill 25                                                               
last  year,   AIDEA's  statutes   limited  its  actions   to  the                                                               
development of natural resources and  its revolving fund is still                                                               
directed to that  work;  however, at this time  AIDEA has the new                                                               
SETS fund that is now available for energy projects.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  LEONARD  stressed  that  AIDEA   is  a  development  finance                                                               
authority  and does  not set  or design  economic development  or                                                               
energy policy, but helps to promote the state's policies.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:07:09 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIS clarified that the  utilities approached AIDEA for help                                                               
with financing after they had a design for a propane system.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR ISAACSON  referred to  the difficulties  surrounding the                                                               
Healy  Clean  Coal Plant  (HCCP)  and  asked what  lessons  AIDEA                                                               
learned.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. LEONARD said AIDEA has  learned how to structure contracts so                                                               
that AIDEA  is in  partnership with the  private sector  and does                                                               
not completely  own many projects.   The private sector  needs to                                                               
be involved with  the analysis and design of a  project, and work                                                               
and build  together with AIDEA.   As an  aside, he said  AIDEA is                                                               
now working in partnership with GVEA,  and HCCP is expected to be                                                               
running within the next two years.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DAVIS noted  the  structure of  the  Endeavour project,  and                                                               
stated that  every investment  AIDEA is  making includes  an exit                                                               
strategy to respond to changing  market conditions.  Returning to                                                               
other  potential  energy  projects,   he  pointed  out  AIDEA  is                                                               
becoming   involved   with   energy  efficiency   retrofits   for                                                               
commercial buildings.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:11:00 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR ISAACSON stressed the lessons learned from HCCP.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:11:13 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Special  Committee on  Energy meeting  was  adjourned at  [10:11]                                                               
a.m.                                                                                                                            

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
Agenda (H) ENE 02042013.docx HENE 2/4/2013 8:00:00 AM
(H) ENE Agenda 02042013
AHFC Energy Programs Update (H) ENE 02042013.pdf HENE 2/4/2013 8:00:00 AM
AHFC Energy Programs PowerPoint (H) ENE 02042013
AIDEA LNG Trucking PowerPoint (H) ENE 02042013.pdf HENE 2/4/2013 8:00:00 AM
AIDEA LNG Trucking PowerPoint (H) ENE 02042013
AIDEA Endeavor Project Sheet (H) ENE 02042013.pdf HENE 2/4/2013 8:00:00 AM
AIDEA Endevor Project (H) ENE 02042013